Just Discuss It, Please

9 09 2008

We at least need to go there. That’s all. Please read on and see what I mean.

Sarah Palin, Republican nominee for VP. Woman. Mother of 5. And much more. 

This is written primarily to anyone who believes the bible is the primary source of truth. Those of other beliefs may tend to misinterpret the context of what I am saying. But, as a conservative, you must give me credit for not being “married to the GOP.” Just so you know up front. 

The best thing about faith in politics is that the bible is always there as a moral benchmark. Christians should never become so inordinately focused on politics that it becomes the solution to solve our moral dilemmas. Christians are called to be prophetic. And when it comes to politics, that role means speaking biblical truth to all situations and issues, including the focus of this post, the sensitive issue of the role of women. This doesn’t mean I am opposed to Christians being politically active or running for office. It simply means we should participate on the premise of truth, not a party affiliation. 

I am a true conservative in every sense. Most already know how I’ll vote in the upcoming election. And I realize that discussing this issue before the elections runs the risk of alienating a segment of conservatives that may not apply the bible to this specific situation. This issue has never been brought up because we’ve never had a mother of young children nominated for the second highest office in the land. But as Christians, it’s important to promote the good in our candidates while we cling unswervingly to our biblical convictions on important issues. 

Do I think Sarah Palin is unfit to serve because she is a mother of 5? No. Is it wrong for a mother to work? No. Were those on the left wrong to criticize Sarah Palin for running for VP while being a mother of young children? Yes, absolutely, there is a double standard there. Rarely, if ever, do we see this same standard of parenthood applied to mothers in the Democrat party. But conservatives, especially Christians, need to be careful not to create our own double standard. 

What does that mean? It’s easy for Christians to defend Sarah Palin’s candidacy because she is running on the Republican ticket. But what if Sarah Palin, mother of 5, was a Democrat? Would she be receiving the same level of support? Doubtfully. Dr. Albert Mohler, one of only a handful of evangelical leaders to take the lead on this discussion, correctly points out the biblical context for this discussion:

The New Testament clearly speaks to the complementary roles of men and women in the home and in the church, but not in roles of public responsibility.  I believe that women as CEOs in the business world and as officials in government are no affront to Scripture.  Then again, that presupposes that women — and men — have first fulfilled their responsibilities within the little commonwealth of the family.

(another good commentary on the subject here).

Bottom line: consistency, not condemnation. 

The whole country is talking about this. McCain/Palin received a huge convention-bounce and now lead in some polls. Palin’s speech garnered as many viewers as The One himself did in Denver. It would be easy for Christians to miss the boat and allow a double standard to apply to us here. But, since no one is perfect, we can disagree with a candidate on an issue and still accept their candidacy. In order for Christians to help America understand the biblical worldview in politics, we must apply the standards to everyone regardless of party affiliation.

I don’t doubt that Sarah Palin is an outstanding wife and mother, second only to my wife 🙂  I’ve heard she sleeps maybe four hours per night. It’s not up to us to judge her and criticize her candidacy because she has young children. I believe that she understands her biblical role of wife and mother comes first and her career comes second. She seems to have the blessing of God upon her life and career as evidenced in her life’s journey and convictions. But when those on the outside looking in see Christians fully supporting a mother of 5 who has a newborn with Down’s Syndrome and has a 17 year old daughter who is 5 months pregnant, that message can get cloudy, fast. As they say down south, “That dog won’t hunt!” 

In speaking truth to this situation, there is no right or wrong answer. It’s up to each individual to come to their own conclusion on what God is speaking to them. But we do need to at least address this issue in our minds so we can help others work through it before we just accept it on a universal level. A balance can be found here. I am simply saying we need to look for it instead of assuming it automatically exists. If we compromise the view that we have held for a long time, then the manifestation is hypocrites who seek power more than truth. This could ultimately damage our witness and result in a worse position than when we started.

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9 09 2008
lmapebble

Do you believe that our laws and policies should be governed by a “interpretation” of the bible?? The Holy Koran is used to dictate laws in Muslim nations and we scorn this…..Do we trust someone who thinks the end is near and may make decisions regarding war as the coming of Jesus??? Palin may be a fine woman but she is going to take us back to the dark ages…..

9 09 2008
Truth and Reason

Dark ages? No, but we can apply biblical truth to today’s modern time. Some things that the bible does not speak directly to such as education and healthcare require an interpretation of a biblical principle. But other issues like abortion and same-sex marriage are clearly opposed by biblical standards and always will be, no matter what else changes. The Founders designed this republic by basing most of its laws on biblical principles. The bible is the book cited more than any other during the Congressional Convention. So yes, some interpretation is required. The difference between an elected official interpreting the bible and one interpreting the Koran is what is in the two books, not the elected person. The bible preaches love, but the Koran preaches kill.

11 09 2008
Mr. Incredible

==Do you believe that our laws and policies should be governed by a “interpretation” of the bible??==

Wuddyou mean, like murder and stealing?

== The Holy Koran is used to dictate laws in Muslim nations and we scorn this…==

The Koran is not the Word of God, rather the word of a man about what he thought about what he thought is the word of God but thurns out not to be the Word of God.

==…Do we trust someone who thinks the end is near…==

What “end”? “End” of what?

==…and may make decisions regarding war as the coming of Jesus???==

Make “war as the coming of Jesus”???? Huh?

You mean to say that we wanna make war to hasten the Coming of Jesus, that we think that He is waiting in some holding area, that He is just waiting for us to carry out His orders for war??? You mean to say that we believe that He awaits/is standing by for further instructions, through war, from us???

== Palin may be a fine woman but she is going to take us back to the dark ages…==

We can understand how Libs think this and are trying to impose their clouded perceptions on the rest of us. However, she doesn’t look “Dark Ages” to us, and, as close as we are to Halloweeen, we’re not going to fall for Lib tricks.

11 09 2008
Mr. Incredible

==Do you believe that our laws and policies should be governed by a “interpretation” of the bible??==

Wuddyou mean, like, for example, not treating women as objects?

11 09 2008
Mr. Incredible

==Do you believe that our laws and policies should be governed by a “interpretation” of the bible?? ==

Do you believe that a person brings to a job, or situation, the values he has, based on what he knows, or thinks he knows?

Sara “Baracuda” brings “Good things” of the Word of God to her job and situations.

Pro-choice=pro-abortion=wrong-choicers, for example, bring a bad thing to their job, or situation.

12 09 2008
pzefo3

TR,

We need to be careful when we pick and choose which Biblical truths are applicable in 21st century American politics. What do you do with the commands to kill every man, woman and child during the conquest of Canaan? What about Jewish dietary laws? Should these issues of morality become standards for American culture? What about the treatment of women during the patriarchial culture and subjugation of women (sp?) from which the Bible was produced?

What about the “Sermon on the Mount?” Politically speaking, I see a case for socialism when I read Matt. 5-7, 18, 25, etc. Are we (Christ Followers) going ignore every other right to life issue and only focus on abortion? Are we really going to believe that if a republican is elected that abortion will truly be dealt with? It sure hasn’t 22 of the last 34 years that a pro-life president has been in the White House.

This, to me, is ultimately why caring too greatly about politics is a waste of time and energy. Nothing of significance really changes…EVER!

13 09 2008
Truth and Reason

Pete, it’s pretty clear that dietary laws do not apply but moral laws do to today’s Christians.

The Sermon on the Mount is in no way a case for socialism. Socialism can only exist when you steal from one to give to another. Which, last I checked, is still a sin, even in today’s “post-modern” culture. Now, the rich may not be donating enough, and we can certainly make a case that Christians have allowed the government to usurp some of its duties to the poor, but that does not mean socialism is the biblical response to address these problems. Besides, the Sermon was aimed at individuals, not government, who obviously have an unfair advantage because they aren’t “donating” their own money, time, or services.

Abortion is not something any president is going to “deal with.” It’s a moral issue that needs two things, in this order: 1. prayer. And 2. political support. W did what he could. He managed to get Partial-birth abortion banned and made it more difficult for minors to get abortions with parental notifications laws. Those are huge accomplishments that we can’t dismiss as nothing’s simply because we didn’t reach the end goal.

But even if he didn’t achieve those things and nothing was achieved, that’s not a reason to vote for a candidate who has supported and will continue to support legislation that will make abortions easier to obtain.

If you’d noticed what I wrote at the beginning of the fourth paragraph of this post, you’d see the biblical role of politics for Christians. It’s not a matter of “caring too much.” It’s how we apply biblical truth to each area of life. We are care greatly for our culture and the people that make it up and if we don’t speak truth to every area of life, no one will.

15 09 2008
Mr. Incredible

==What about Jewish dietary laws? ==

The Devil condemns those who are born again, too, by saying, “You don’t follow the Law!”

However, as Galatians says, those who are born again are not under Law, rather under Grace; we are not guilty anymore. In any case, Romans 8:1.

Also, Jesus said that what goes in the mouth goes out the other end and does not defile a man. Rather, He said, what comes out a man’s mouth is what defiles him.

I, for example, am not a Jew. So, those laws don’t apply to me, anyways.

15 09 2008
Mr. Incredible

It’s the Devil that tries to hold those who are born again to the Law and to try to make them feel guilty for being imperfect. Those who are born again, though, are no longer under condemnation. They are under Grace. So, the condemnations of the Devil don’t land.

15 09 2008
Mr. Incredible

==Are we really going to believe that if a republican is elected that abortion will truly be dealt with?==

More than if a Lib were/is in The White House.

15 09 2008
Mr. Incredible

pzefo3,

(Rom 1:18) For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness…

18 09 2008
Chris Neal

You all appear to be basing your judgments on today’s issues by a book that was written by men hundreds of years ago. This is ludicrous. Religion has no part to play in today’s politics, and I worry that people like Sarah Palin may be elected to positions of great power because of their outdated and baseless beliefs. A belief in a God — any God — may have been valid hundreds of years ago when we had no way of explaining the world, and space, around us, but this is the 21st century, and the same scientific method that brought us vaccines for polio and smallpox has proved that the earth is many, many times older than stated in the Bible and goes a long way to explaining how human beings evolved from other forms of life by Darwinian Natural Selection. Religion was understandable in its time, but that time is past. It’s time you looked at the world around you and saw that the main contribution to society that Religion makes today is in meaningless wars and terrorist acts.

http://www.humanism.org

19 09 2008
Mr. Incredible

==You all appear to be basing your judgments on today’s issues by a book that was written by men hundreds of years ago.==

So what?

== This is ludicrous.==

Oh, THAT’s so what.

== Religion has no part to play in today’s politics…==

Who says?

==… and I worry that people like Sarah Palin may be elected to positions of great power because of their outdated and baseless beliefs.==

Translation: “I worry that people like Sarah Palin may be elected to positions of great power because of beliefs in which I don’t agree.”

== A belief in a God — any God — may have been valid hundreds of years ago when we had no way of explaining the world, and space, around us, but this is the 21st century, and the same scientific method that brought us vaccines for polio and smallpox has proved that the earth is many, many times older than stated in the Bible and goes a long way to explaining how human beings evolved from other forms of life by Darwinian Natural Selection. ==

And, yet, nowhere near explaining anything.

==Religion was understandable in its time, but that time is past.==

For whom? YOU?

== It’s time you looked at the world around you and saw that the main contribution to society that Religion makes today is in meaningless wars and terrorist acts.==

What war has Christianity started?

More have been killed by the godless in the past century than have been killed in wars in all of the rest of recorded, human history.

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