Back to Obama’s Future

27 10 2008

What would an Obama presidency actually look like?

Focus on the Family released a chilling letter from a Christian in 2012 (pdf). 

Here is a sampling:

Far-left liberals could hold a 6-3 majority on the U.S. Supreme Court.

The nation’s highest court could rule same-sex “marriage” is a constitutional right — in all 50 states.

Preaching from the Bible could be banned from radio and television.

States may not be able to restrict abortion, and taxpayers could be forced to fund abortions.

In several states, it could be illegal to own a gun.

Fear mongering or justified warning?

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27 10 2008
Back to Obama’s Future : Stop The ACLU

[…] Posted on October 27, 2008 Crossposted at Truth and Reason […]

27 10 2008
Vaughn

I’m going with fear mongering. For crap sake the Supreme Court just ruled like a month ago that the Government can’t take your guns. Or did you miss that? Abortion is already legal? Did you miss that too?

As far as same Sex Marriage goes I’m pretty sure that the Courts do not pass laws, unless the ruling is brought before them. 2nd why do you care? No one is saying that you have to be gay, and marry someone of the same sex. It’s not for me but to each their own.

The Bible ban thing is as ridiculous as the rumor that Obama is Satan. Just plain ignorant.

27 10 2008
Truth and Reason

Right but those issues can be overruled or worsen.

There are several states that have had same-sex marriage in their courts, Virginia the latest. It would only take a juicy case the SCOTUS would want to look at. I care because every society in history has had laws limiting marriage to one man and one woman. Those who’ve abused it and not respected a biblical moral line have all fallen. Besides, it’s obvious it takes a man and a woman to reproduce. It’s counterproductive to society’s continuance to allow a sexual free for all.

The bible is already banned in schools and any gov’t property. What’s to stop them from taking a step further?

27 10 2008
Vaughn

Do you understand why there is a separation of Church and State? Our
Founding Fathers intended it to prevent governing issues to be clouded by Religious belief.

This election is a perfect example. We are discussing Religious issues instead of the economy, global warming, illegal immigration has not even been brought up in a debate. National Security, Health Care, Taxes, Corruption of Government. These are States issues, we are talking about subjects that should be taught in the home and in Church.

As a Christian I am assuming that you believe in the free will of man and that the choices that we make here on Earth are what determines our salvation in death? If I am wrong on that please correct me, if I am right about that then I and all others should have an opportunity to exercise that right.

Without free will how is one held morally accountable for their choices.

27 10 2008
Vaughn

Do you understand why there is a separation of Church and State? Our
Founding Fathers intended it to prevent governing issues to be clouded by Religious belief.

This election is a perfect example. We are discussing Religious issues instead of the economy, global warming, illegal immigration has not even been brought up in a debate. National Security, Health Care, Taxes, Corruption of Government. These are States issues, we are talking about subjects that should be taught in the home and in Church.

As a Christian I am assuming that you believe in the free will of man and that the choices that we make here on Earth are what determines our salvation in death? If I am wrong on that please correct me, if I am right about that then I and all others should have an opportunity to exercise that right.

Without free will how is one held morally accountable for their choices.

31 10 2008
Mr. Incredible

==…the Supreme Court just ruled like a month ago that the Government can’t take your guns.==

Good.

==Abortion is already legal?==

Apparently, and that’s bad.

==As far as same Sex Marriage goes I’m pretty sure that the Courts do not pass laws, unless the ruling is brought before them.==

Courts, according to the Constitution, pass no laws.

==…why do you care? ==

We’re citizens, and, as such, we have a dog in this fight.

==No one is saying that you have to be gay…==

No one, on Earth, is saying that you have to be heterosexual, as God made everybody.

==It’s not for me but to each their own.==

Does that also go for Conservatives who fight so-called “same-sex ‘marriage'”?

==The Bible ban thing is…ridiculous…Just plain ignorant.==

That’s what they thought in Canada, too.

31 10 2008
Mr. Incredible

==Do you understand why there is a separation of Church and State? ==

Where is it?

==Our Founding Fathers intended it to prevent governing issues to be clouded by Religious belief. ==

No, they didn’t. They intended to stop the State from interfering with worship. In the Founders’ day, “religion” was mixed with public affairs all the time.

==We are discussing Religious issues instead of the economy, global warming, illegal immigration has not even been brought up in a debate.==

Libs would like us to drop the “religious” cuz they know the impact on their Cause.

== National Security, Health Care, Taxes, Corruption of Government. These are States issues, we are talking about subjects that should be taught in the home and in Church. ==

“Should”? That’s a value judgment. I thought Libs are against value judgments. Oh, wait. That should be that Libs are against everybody else making value judgments.

==As a Christian I am assuming that you believe in the free will of man and that the choices that we make here on Earth are what determines our salvation in death?==

Our choices don’t determine any such thing. It’s not up to us to go and get Salvation. Salvation is a free Gift of Grace, and Grace the free Gift of Righteousness which is of faith in Christ. Libs can’t be Christian if they support so-called “same-sex ‘marriage.'”

== If I am wrong on that please correct me…==

Done and done.

==…if I am right about that then I and all others should have an opportunity to exercise that right. ==

What, the “Right” of a man to marry a man??? Where is this so-called “Right”?

If you are a man, you are covered by the law that says that “marriage” is the union of a “man,” or, “male,” and a “woman,” or, “female.” There is no other sex that is excluded. You may marry a woman who claims that she is homosexual.

==Without free will how is one held morally accountable for their choices.==

Without God, all things are permissible.

With God, all things are possible.

31 10 2008
Vaughn

So as long as you inject God into public policy you can use that as standing to infringe upon the rights of those that think differently than you? It’s an interesting concept, one that I reject in whole, but it is an interesting way to walk through life.

I thought Jesus said stuff like, judge not lest ye be judged; and do unto others as you would have others do unto you? So essentially if we go by God’s laws modern day Christian’s should be subject to ridicule and persecution in order to live what they preach.

1 11 2008
Mr. Incredible

==So as long as you inject God into public policy you can use that as standing to infringe upon the rights of those that think differently than you? ==

So, as long as you keep God out of public policy, you can use that as standing to infringe upon the Rights of those who think differently than you?

== It’s an interesting concept, one that I reject in whole…==

Except that you don’t reject it because you people are doing it every day.

==I thought Jesus said stuff like, judge not lest ye be judged…==

Scoffers always fall into this trap.

You didn’t read the rest of what Jesus said, did you? Had you, you would have found that Jesus was talking to the unrighteous, not to the Righteous. He told the unrighteous that they cannot judge. He told those who are born again that they are to judge Righteously — that is, according to the Word of God. That we do.

==… and do unto others as you would have others do unto you?==

The Word of God tells us to do unto others as we would have them do unto us in the sense that we are to be as eager to give others God’s Love — that is, the Word of God — as we want others to be as eager to give us the Word of God. God does not tell us to give our own love to others. He tells us to give His Love to others. His Love is His Son.

==So essentially if we go by God’s laws…==

Those who are born again are not under Law, rather under Grace.

==… modern day Christian’s should be subject to ridicule and persecution in order to live what they preach.==

You go to prove that scoffers don’t understand a thing about the Word of God.

God says that those who are born again WILL suffer persecution, not that they SHOULD suffer persecution. It is not His Will that we suffer persecution. It, however, is His Will that persecution bounce off of us like Superman; and it does.

1 11 2008
Mr. Incredible

==/==I thought Jesus said stuff like, judge not lest ye be judged…==

Scoffers always fall into this trap.

You didn’t read the rest of what Jesus said, did you? Had you, you would have found that Jesus was talking to the unrighteous, not to the Righteous. He told the unrighteous that they cannot judge. He told those who are born again that they are to judge Righteously — that is, according to the Word of God. That we do.==

Further, Jesus said, in John 15:3, that His Words cleanse us.

That means that the Word of God makes the blind see and the deaf hear. However, that applies only to those who perceive His Words. Merely reading them, as one reads a newspaper, is not good enough. Scoffers believe that, merely reading them, gives an insight. It doesn’t. That’s because God knows that scoffers are trying only to defeat the Word of God. So, He won’t give them understanding.

1 11 2008
Mr. Incredible

==So as long as you inject God into public policy you can use that as standing to infringe upon the rights of those that think differently than you? ==

What “rights”?

Oh, the “rights” that YOU think are above God. Quite arrogant. Oh, well, that’s what came out of the Garden of Eden.

1 11 2008
Mr. Incredible

==I thought Jesus said stuff like, judge not lest ye be judged and do unto others as you would have others do unto you?==

(Pro 27:5) Open rebuke is better than secret love.

(Rev 3:19) As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

5 11 2008
slagler

==Libs can’t be Christian if they support so-called “same-sex ‘marriage.’”==

Where is that in the Bible? I know that it’s not in line with an overall Evangelical worldview, but I don’t see where the Bible says that’s essential to salvation.

5 11 2008
Mr. Incredible

==/==Libs can’t be Christian if they support so-called “same-sex ‘marriage.’”==

Where is that in the Bible?==

The whole gist of the Word of God is that, if you re in the world and of the world, that, if you support what God does not, you cannot be a child of God — that is, born again. That’s why Obammy cannot be Christian.

== I know that it’s not in line with an overall Evangelical worldview, but I don’t see where the Bible says that’s essential to salvation.==

It’s essential not to contradict, in the sayin’ and doin’, what God says. Doing so separates you from God. Separation means no Salvation. It’s THAt simple.

5 11 2008
Mr. Incredible

Say, how d’ya like Prop 8 now, huh? Prop 102? Florida?

Prop 8 in California, Prop 102 in Arizona and the one in Florida all passed, didn’t they. HA!

So, then, “marriage” is STILL the union of a man and a woman. The man may claim to be homosexual and the woman a heterosexual; the man may be heterosexual and the woman claim to be homosexual; both may claim to be homosexual. “Gay marriage” is still allowed. So-called “same-sex ‘marriage'” is not.

5 11 2008
Vaughn

I love a good homophobe… LOL! Seriously it concerns me so little with what people do in the privacy of their own homes. I guess I will just never get why it matters so much to so many.

6 11 2008
Mr. Incredible

==I love a good homophobe.==

That is such an overused term that it doesn’t mean anything any more. The accusation doesn’t land.

== it concerns me so little with what people do in the privacy of their own homes.==

Unfortunately, what they do in their homes inevitably translates into some conduct outside their homes.

== I guess I will just never get why it matters so much to so many.==

That’s cuz you want not to know.

6 11 2008
Vaughn

==The accusation doesn’t land== If it didn’t land you wouldn’t care.

==what they do in their homes inevitably translates into some conduct outside their homes== S

So the leather face mask you wear and the gag ball in your mouth is something you wear out to dinner? Just guessing off of your Avatar… lol. That is a ridiculous statement. You act like Gay is contagious; let me give you a great example.

In Utah at Applebee’s the restaurants look just like they do everywhere else. Except the bar area has no liquor or beer displayed. Why? Because kids would be able to see the Alcohol bottles and might ask their parents what is that? Now I’m no psychologist, but to me that seem quite ridiculous to believe that if you shelter a child at dinner from seeing a bottle of Peach Schnapps that it is somehow going to prevent them from curiosity of Alcohol.

So to think that if someone is seen in public as Gay that somehow it is going to affect you and others around you? Is that your position? Really? And that if they are doing things in the privacy of their homes that it will somehow leak onto the streets and offend you and others like you? Really?

You should worry more about how you treat others on a daily basis, and I mean everyone around you, then perhaps this would become less of an issue for you. Become more like the person you say you are instead of the Jesus you think you are. Last I checked the only one in a position to condemn someone for the social behavior was God.

8 11 2008
Mr. Incredible

==/==The accusation doesn’t land==

If it didn’t land you wouldn’t care. ==

It didn’t land.

==You act like Gay is contagious.==

One corrupt mind can corrupt another.

==So to think that if someone is seen in public as Gay that somehow it is going to affect you and others around you?==

Prob’ly.

==…if they are doing things in the privacy of their homes that it will somehow leak onto the streets and offend you and others like you?==

Private behavior has a way of translating into public behavior.

==You should…==

VALUE JUDGMENT ALERT! VALUE JUDGMENT ALERT! VALUE JUDGMENT ALERT!

==… worry more about how you treat others on a daily basis, and I mean everyone around you…==

Translation: “You should treat those who say they are homosexual as though you enable and empower them, even though you don’t.”

==…Become more like the person you say you are…==

Translation: “You should satisfy my standards of conduct.”

==… instead of the Jesus you think you are. ==

Where did I say I am Jesus???

==Last I checked the only one in a position to condemn someone for the social behavior was God.==

Yes, and He had His Judgment written, and He says in It that those who are born again should speak up according to It. That I do.

10 11 2008
Mr. Incredible

==… instead of the Jesus you think you are. ==

How d’you know that I think that I’m “the Jesus”?

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